tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5710205.post3213087591553265138..comments2024-02-08T11:00:53.069-06:00Comments on Gordon's Tech: Appigo and Toodledo – nasty emergent design flaw makes a mess of my iPhone Notes and TasksJGFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14580785981874040314noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5710205.post-42410925950434221022010-05-26T20:24:58.719-05:002010-05-26T20:24:58.719-05:00Andrew, Appigo's notebook searches all text in...Andrew, Appigo's notebook searches all text in the memo (unlike toodledo search which handles title and note separately). Results show the note title and the first line or two. They don't show the search term in context.JGFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580785981874040314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5710205.post-47045804515033355582010-05-25T16:11:12.296-05:002010-05-25T16:11:12.296-05:00I hope you can help me. You seem to know quite a ...I hope you can help me. You seem to know quite a bit about Appigo's Notebooks app. I cannot find an answer to my question, though I've literally spent hours trying.<br /><br />Does Notebooks' search function take you directly to the term you searched for? Or does it merely point out the memo that holds that search term (like the Spotlight search does)?<br /><br />Thank you very much!Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11424210367423819604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5710205.post-66358919756854408912010-05-24T15:52:13.049-05:002010-05-24T15:52:13.049-05:00I cannot seem to find an answer anywhere: Does Ap...I cannot seem to find an answer anywhere: Does Appigo Notebook's search function take you to the search term, or merely point you to the appropriate note? I like the way Palm's search of memos would always take me right to the search term in my hundreds of memos. Thank you in advance.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11424210367423819604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5710205.post-88561104902272616272008-12-17T07:43:00.000-06:002008-12-17T07:43:00.000-06:00One post did not appear, but a reply to another po...One post did not appear, but a reply to another post did.<BR/><BR/>Appigo does know about this problem, it's pretty easy to see.<BR/><BR/>It's not easy to fix because the sharing of categories is a property of Toodledo, it's not under Appigo's control.<BR/><BR/>Toodledo doesn't have an iPhone app for Notes, so it doesn't affect their customers.<BR/><BR/>It's an interesting bug from a development perspective, it reveals the kinds of problems that occur with "mash-up" applications.<BR/><BR/>To get real reliability Appigo would have to own the data store as well as the iPhone app.JGFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580785981874040314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5710205.post-47481778414399686152008-12-17T06:28:00.000-06:002008-12-17T06:28:00.000-06:00One quick follow up. Thank you for you blog post ...One quick follow up. Thank you for you blog post on this-- I am sure that I would have fallen right into this trap!<BR/><BR/>Shame on Appigo if they are deleting your posts on this. Please try again and see what happens. I would think they would want people to know, especially as they can offer an easy solution!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5710205.post-54390038231838753672008-12-17T06:27:00.000-06:002008-12-17T06:27:00.000-06:00This is, as you assert, a fundamental design flaw....This is, as you assert, a fundamental design flaw. Or, to be more generous, the failure is a lack of communciation with the end user.<BR/><BR/>They should definitely explain the joint category handling on their web page and in help notes--and have a warning message pop up when you are about to delete a category-- it should say "Warning, categories are shared with todo and so you are about to UNCLASSIFY them. We recommend that you turn off the display of certain categories rather than delete."<BR/><BR/>In fact, it probably shouldn't even let you delete a non-empty category from the other application!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5710205.post-65972437266795964032008-11-19T12:45:00.000-06:002008-11-19T12:45:00.000-06:00This exact problem happened to me. I saw all the ...This exact problem happened to me. I saw all the folders in notepad, deleted them, thinking they were empty, and BAM - all my tasks were suddenly orphans.<BR/><BR/>Luckily I use Outlook, so the fix was only a small (hour-long) PITA. I moved everything back to categories in Outlook, erased everything in ToodleDo, set sync settings to upload to TD, but not vice-versa, and synced.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.wikitranslate.com" REL="nofollow">WikiTranslate</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5710205.post-80571561490793164002008-11-09T22:03:00.000-06:002008-11-09T22:03:00.000-06:00Thanks for the note!I think it's a design flaw bec...Thanks for the note!<BR/><BR/>I think it's a design flaw because the outcomes of the folder delete behavior are non-obvious. The user is not aware that the two sets of folders are synchronized. It's a bad design to have a non-obvious data deletion side-effect even if the intent of the design is good.<BR/><BR/>What makes it even worse is that the propagation of folder changes between Todo and Notebook is not obvious. In some testing I did it could take several launches of each app before the folder changes fully propagated.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure there's a safe design to synchronize the Todo and Notebook folders. I think a safe design would only only apply if the two apps shared one database (so no propagation issues), if Toodledo behaved the same way (but it doesn't), and if there was a dire warning if one tried to delete an "empty" folder that was matched to a non-empty folder in the other app.JGFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580785981874040314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5710205.post-25478352703643649992008-11-09T17:48:00.000-06:002008-11-09T17:48:00.000-06:00I also have Appigo's Todo and Notebook apps and ha...I also have Appigo's Todo and Notebook apps and have been very happy that they allow me to use a single Toodledo account. I'm very pleased with how it's working for me (please read on...).<BR/><BR/>There are a couple settings in each app that let me hide lists not relevant to the other one. For example, in Todo, there's a "Visible Lists" setting. I just go uncheck all the Lists (really Toodledo folders) that I use for Notebook and it's solves this issue. In Notebook, look for a "Visible Notebooks" setting.<BR/><BR/>I'd have to disagree with your opinion on this being a design flaw as it appears to me that the fine folks at Appigo did their homework and addressed this issue directly with these settings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com